tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post7040833633332416570..comments2023-10-31T05:14:08.945+13:00Comments on Undeniably Atheist: Why I am an AtheistUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-50273117267907178972010-08-11T21:51:50.882+12:002010-08-11T21:51:50.882+12:00Actually I think Chris posted his comment from the...Actually I think Chris posted his comment from the USAKJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10817974804323066290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-60165380664229388122010-08-11T19:01:06.644+12:002010-08-11T19:01:06.644+12:00Chris Haines ladies and gentlemenChris Haines ladies and gentlemenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-26531884761013560302010-08-11T16:20:03.250+12:002010-08-11T16:20:03.250+12:00Not to "reseurrect" this old blog but I ...Not to "reseurrect" this old blog but I recently stumbled upon it after watching Jesus Camp via Netflix streaming. I am agnostic and try hard to listen to both sides. Admittedly, I am not smart enough to know the answers, and I dont believe anyone else is either. (this coming from someone who is "supposed" to be somewhat intelligent as Im in mensa North Texas)<br /><br />I try to be non-biased and give credit where credit is due. But I find myself constantly siding with non-christians. Maybe because they are easy targets, or maybe its just because evolutionism gives reason and viable credibility to their side. Christianity tries to exploit "holes" in contra-beliefs in lieu of evidence. A la "I cant prove a damned thing, but your claim is stupid."<br /><br />The other thing I have found is you are under the attack in many of these comment, you simply try to defend yourself because Christians (and theyre so good at this) love to go on the offensive to anyone who contradicts them) HERETIC !!<br /><br />Good Luck in your search for truth, I am doing likewise.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06770514225046106005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-2878264125487164472010-01-11T16:09:58.359+13:002010-01-11T16:09:58.359+13:00I remember when you were in the "Extreme Disc...I remember when you were in the "Extreme Discipleship" training group!Praying/Thinking Of Younoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-13229911922510782812009-11-17T15:25:53.978+13:002009-11-17T15:25:53.978+13:00You could say they reacted unfavourably.You could say they reacted unfavourably.KJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10817974804323066290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-61645035269171182232009-11-17T10:15:58.404+13:002009-11-17T10:15:58.404+13:00You mentioned both your parents are Christian. Wha...You mentioned both your parents are Christian. What was their reaction to your newfound beliefs? Just curious :)<br /><br />F AdamsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-81672512097246538892009-09-26T03:35:27.621+12:002009-09-26T03:35:27.621+12:00Sorry to necro this blog post's comments :P
D...Sorry to necro this blog post's comments :P<br /><br />Dear anonymous or other posters supporting the bible - you are very annoying passive aggressive creationist jerkwads. Harsh, but accurate. You constantly profess to not want to convert KJ, or others like him, yet you don't have the decency to not preach within every comment.<br /><br />This particular nugget blew my mind:<br /><br />By Aaron<br /><br />"I'm not writing to try convince you to change your mind KJ, God gave the world free will for a reason, we're allowed to choose our own way in this world and God will honour this gift and let you do what you want. But just know God's waiting for your return, He's got heaps of patience so don't feel bad for keeping Him waiting. God wants us to go to Him just as we are, in our own time, when we want to and not because we're pressured or guilted into it. For most of the people in this world it'll never happen but He'll still be waiting for each one of them to find their way."<br /><br />So you basically said... I'm not going to try and change your mind, but here goes anyway! Initiating religious spam!<br /><br />Hmm yes... God wants us to be not pressured or guilted into faith, but here is the same old guilt trip! Your entire post (well meaning as it may have been) is a massive contradiction.<br /><br />And... why oh why would KJ feel bad about keeping a non-existant entity waiting? You seem unable to get that through your heads. As an athiest, its not a blind denial of God or faith, it is a flat-out disbelief in the concept entirely based on available evidence. Once you are an athiest, there is no longer any confusion on the topic. There is zero proof of them, so God or gods do NOT exist. The only person(s) who will feel bad about KJ not being Christian anymore are Christian people.<br /><br />The average religious person is no less sane than anyone else, so why are they willing to believe something that in any other circumstance would be viewed as a pile of bullshit? One of the many mysteries of the human mind. Which for a religious person will remain a mystery, because they dont want to understand it.<br /><br />Anyway, long story short... please stop using the same old tired principles you always pull out. If you truly wish to not preach to KJ, or others like us, then dont. Have a discussion certainly, but dont dress up your diatribe as a peace offering when it is nothing of the sort.<br /><br />One last word... you may want to familiarise yourself with Occam's Razor, also look up the concept of the Celestial Teapot... or the Flying Spaghetti Monster for that matter. I don't presume to believe that I will convert any of you, but if you are going to preach at us, I can do the same sort of thing back at you... except with, you know, evidence. :P<br /><br />-MickMisterBlaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16400932648074603947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-25292746372921050362009-08-31T16:26:29.200+12:002009-08-31T16:26:29.200+12:00Ah upon re-reading what you wrote I realise I misr...Ah upon re-reading what you wrote I realise I misread one sentence <i>"Jesus warns <b>his</b> followers <b>they</b> will be mocked"</i>.<br /><br />I saw where you were coming from with regard to the anti-atheism issue, but I still thought it was pointless, as your attitude towards atheists and atheism was shown through what you had been writing.<br /><br />Probably going to write a new post today or tomorrow or something.KJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10817974804323066290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-44031040119349549492009-08-31T15:52:23.506+12:002009-08-31T15:52:23.506+12:00KJ, I was describing the Jesus followers as irrati...KJ, I was describing the Jesus followers as <i>irrational</i>! We <b>are</b> "the laughing stock of the rational world"! I was simply agreeing with what you said, not trying to flip it and say you're the irrational ones. 'Rationality' is like a cornerstone of Atheism.<br /><br />Meh, screw double negatives, I prefer to just get rid of them both and say it how it is. "I believe there is a god."<br /><br />Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that I'm against the idea of "No god" (anti-Atheism) but I don't hate the people (anti-Atheist) who believe that! Similar to a Christian stance on homosexuality.<br /><br />And with regards to the Atheism/Religion thing, I say again, I was just describing what I see. But sweet as, we'll leave it there then.Ryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-53189741264738982762009-08-31T15:32:39.116+12:002009-08-31T15:32:39.116+12:00You mis-used the word rational because you were us...You mis-used the word rational because you were using it to describe the believers as opposed to the non-believers, when rationality has nothing to do with this distinction.<br /><br />Rational<br />Adjective<br /><i>1. agreeable to reason; reasonable; sensible: a rational plan for economic development.<br />2. having or exercising reason, sound judgment, or good sense: a calm and rational negotiator.<br />3. being in or characterized by full possession of one's reason; sane; lucid: The patient appeared perfectly rational.<br />4. endowed with the faculty of reason: rational beings. </i><br /><br />When as you have described, you 'choose' to believe, reason and rationality have nothing to do with it.<br /><br />I never said that you deny that atheists exist. You said you were <i>"anti-Atheism. Not to be confused with anti-Atheist!</i>.<br />You're denying that there is no god, which is a double negative.<br />It's like saying this:<br />There is not no god.<br /><br />I'm happy to bury the 'atheism is a religion' discussion, seeing as you were the one who kept bringing it up.KJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10817974804323066290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-60150807619633638222009-08-31T15:10:29.159+12:002009-08-31T15:10:29.159+12:00*sigh* :D I'm over this 'Religious view...*sigh* :D I'm over this 'Religious view' or 'Religion' thing now. Bury it.<br /><br />I don't see how I mis-used the word 'rational' as it was a straight copy and paste from your post.<br /><br />Double negative? Denial of a denial? Not really, I don't deny that Atheists exist :DRyannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-17848796158643308522009-08-30T23:08:35.544+12:002009-08-30T23:08:35.544+12:00The two quotes were pulled out of context.
I was s...The two quotes were pulled out of context.<br />I was stubborn in my departure from faith, I didn't want to let go. You were calling my atheism stubborn, which it isn't, my christianity was stubborn, and that was what I was talking about.<br /><br />'Religious view' is completely different to 'Religion'. If we were to go with your example of facebook 'Religious View' being a religion. Then 'none', 'don't have one', 'Jesus', 'Don't care', and ' ' would all be religions.<br /><br />My 'Religious view' is an atheistic view on religion, that all religion is man-made and pointless. You can't honestly think that is a religion.<br /><br />I've yet to see a real reason to believe a spiritual/supernatural world even exists.<br /><br />Nice mis-use of the word rational, and turning my sentence around... not.<br /><br />You're anti-atheism? Cool, I'm anti-non-stamp-collectorism.<br />Anti-atheism is a double negative, it's a denial of a denial.KJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10817974804323066290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-36591731699462664522009-08-30T20:48:33.637+12:002009-08-30T20:48:33.637+12:00Answer me this:
"In fact I was stubborn in r...Answer me this:<br /><br />"In fact I was stubborn in regard to letting go of my faith"<br />"A 2 year de-conversion process is hardly what you would call stubborn"<br /><br />Which was it, KJ? Stubborn or not?<br /><br /><b>I</b> think both denial <i>and</i> faith require stubbornness if either are to be sustained. Wouldn't you agree?<br /><br />Thank you for your concern but I am aware I'm not the only one ;) Even Facebook, the largest social networking site of the world, considers Atheism to be a "Religious View". You classify yourself as this, correct? Why then does it cause you grief? You should be proud to follow this apparent religion of Atheism :)<br /><br />I agree that Evolution is not a religion as it has nothing to do with a spiritual viewpoint. It is but an understanding of nature. The spiritual world is a supernatural one, not confined to the scientific laws of the universe.<br /><br />And don't YOU worry, I'm not afraid of being lumped in with the laughing stock of the rational world. Jesus warns his followers they will be mocked till Kingdom come. <br /><br />Literally...till Kingdom come.<br /><br />KJ, I've told you a few times now that I'm <b>not</b> anti-science. Science is dandy. I am anti-Atheism. Not to be confused with anti-Atheist! There's absolutely no desire in me to pull a Hitler or something similar and attempt to 'cleanse' the world of unbelievers or anything. That kind of authority I believe only God has. He's demonstrated it before and has promised to do it again only at the end of all things.Ryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-73591378045379847792009-08-30T00:35:12.557+12:002009-08-30T00:35:12.557+12:00Denial doesn't assume that connotation at all!...Denial doesn't assume that connotation at all!<br />Deny simply means to declare something untrue, it's the antonym of accept/admit/allow.<br /><br />A stubborn denial is about as far from my position as you could possibly get. In fact I was stubborn in regard to letting go of my faith, I WANTED it to be true so bad, but I couldn't lie to myself any longer.<br /><br />A 2 year de-conversion process is hardly what you would call stubborn, it was a gradual process, and I have in no way 'closed off' my mind. I'm open to any rational view. I like rational reasons for peoples views. I like evidence.<br /><br />And don't worry you're not the only person who tries to add religious words to atheism. The evangelical fundamentalists love trying to label non-religion as religion, they even try to label evolution as a religion!<br />I'd suggest not trying to do like they do unless you want to be lumped in with them, the laughing stock of the rational world (anti-science evangelical fundamentalists aka. creationists).KJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10817974804323066290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-72608119458027342722009-08-29T13:47:49.524+12:002009-08-29T13:47:49.524+12:00*sigh* KJ, for the answer to why I am so sure, rea...*sigh* KJ, for the answer to why I am so sure, read my posts on the 'Big Bible Picture' AGAIN and also read the 'Why I Believe' post AGAIN :)<br /><br />But know that I am not trying to prove God's existence to be 100% fact. Like I said in the other post (flip, there's so many now) "who can attempt to do that?" :D<br /><br />I'm sorry if the words "stubborn denial" caused offence ;) Reading them twice, I would put them in our "Needless To Say" bucket along with <i>blind faith</i> and <i>wet water</i>. All denial is more or less stubborn, I guess. But... :)...please read your own dictionary definition again...<br /><br />atheist<br />–noun<br />a person who <b>denies</b> or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.<br /><br />Denial, I'm afraid :D <br />I drop the insulting adjective "stubborn" (for it is really needless to say)<br /><br />It's been said that there's a fine line between living in denial and faith... and I've find life to have far better purpose on the <i>faith</i> side.<br /><br />LOL. Concerning "my obsession with trying to add religious words to Atheism".... people will always simply say it how it is, KJ. See something, then describe it. You don't have to take my description on board.<br /><br />You're not religious KJ and that's ok :)Ryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-71693008932758962202009-08-28T22:54:05.516+12:002009-08-28T22:54:05.516+12:00I cannot prove fairies don't exist.
I cannot p...I cannot prove fairies don't exist.<br />I cannot prove Invisible Pink Unicorns don't exist.<br />I cannot prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist.<br />Just because we can't prove god doesn't exist doesn't mean that it does exist.<br />You said you can't prove god does exist, so what makes you so sure that it does exist?<br /><br />I like your use of words with negative connotations in your description of atheism, "stubborn denial". If that is what you say atheism is, then my definition of christianity is this:<br />Christianity: A misogynistic religion that thrives on ignorance, based upon bronze age jewish scribblings that were compiled during the reign of constantine who used the religion to control the people.<br /><br />atheist<br />–noun<br />a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.<br /><br />And here you go again trying to add religious words to atheism, you really are obsessed with the idea that atheism is a religion.KJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10817974804323066290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-21184661473306893042009-08-28T18:24:26.235+12:002009-08-28T18:24:26.235+12:00Choosing to believe ANYthing will never prove it t...Choosing to <i>believe</i> ANYthing will never prove it true any more than choosing not to believe the same thing will prove it false. That's why it's a belief, it's not about proof.<br />I can never prove Gods existence. <br />Likewise, you can never prove Gods non-existence. <br />Claiming belief in a God is but a vulnerable statement of faith in something greater than yourself. <br />Claiming belief in no God is rather an incredibly bold statement that says you know all things! Think about it for at least a little while...<br /><br />"There is no such thing as God" "There is no supernatural higher power out there anywhere"<br /><br />...just say those words out loud and listen to the sound of your own voice. You are stating that this potential 'God' being does not exist in all the universe/beyond of which no one has or will ever come close to exploring. If that is a difficult one to wrap a brain around try a really "stupid" one like:<br /><br />"There is no such thing as giant pink unicorns with huge green webbed feet" "They don't exist anywhere"<br /><br />We can acknowledge what we have discovered and accept it. But we can never refuse to acknowledge that which we haven't discovered and deny it.<br /><br />I know, that you have said something along the lines of, but not in these exact words, "I have seen no God <b>yet</b>, but maybe there's one out there". Correct me if I am mistaken on your stance.<br /><br />I say this is not Atheism. Last time I looked, Atheism was the stubborn denial of ANY God for now and forever. This is the very reason the religious find it to be a greater statement of "faith" so to speak :D<br /><br />Maybe the definition of Atheism changed recently? Has <i>their</i> 'doctrine' (dare I say it) presented a need for re-evaluating? ;)Ryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-79407143149022282452009-08-28T02:06:28.021+12:002009-08-28T02:06:28.021+12:00Ok.. so it's based on a choice.
Choosing to b...Ok.. so it's based on a choice.<br /><br />Choosing to believe something doesn't make it true though.KJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10817974804323066290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-32856416008198216842009-08-27T22:18:00.871+12:002009-08-27T22:18:00.871+12:00KJ, I've already told you what my belief is ba...KJ, I've already told you what my belief is based on man! It's in my other post on your other blog :D You highlighted after it the fact that I said:<br /><br />"I have <i>chosen</i> to believe".<br /><br />YES it is a deliberate decision and I think that is the beauty of it. Everyone has the choice to say <br />"Yeyahh, I'm on board" or <br />"No, that sounds retarded"<br /><br />And yes I know you're all for the second one... ;DRyannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-6564312921348315872009-08-27T19:32:25.535+12:002009-08-27T19:32:25.535+12:00Your belief in god/the bible is not based on anyth...Your belief in god/the bible is not based on anything at all.<br /><br />I'll leave that there.KJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10817974804323066290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-85467031523550772042009-08-27T17:49:38.703+12:002009-08-27T17:49:38.703+12:00But KJ, be honest... :)
YOUR belief is not based ...But KJ, be honest... :)<br /><br /><i>YOUR</i> belief is not based on "1st hand" proof as such. It's based on<br /><br />3. confidence or trust in <b>Dawkins</b> or <b>science</b><br />3. confidence or trust in <b>text books</b><br />3. confidence or trust in <b>people with a PhD</b><br />3. confidence or trust in <b>the chaps in the white coats</b><br />...I'll leave it there :D<br /><br />I'm not saying this is a bad thing by the way, just bringing it into the light ;) For scientists, I too respect. Dawkins in particular?...I'd say he has some issues, not unlike all of us though ;)<br /><br />Haha, I like your last comment. Here's one from me:<br /><br />I really don't understand the Atheist's obsession with trying to portray the God of the universe as a psychopath. It really is an obsession ;)Ryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-85642756056654272812009-08-27T15:35:10.180+12:002009-08-27T15:35:10.180+12:00Yes, but then I would refer you back to the first ...Yes, but then I would refer you back to the first definition. <br />"1.belief that is not based on proof".<br /><br />Science has a track record of discovering things. Based on this track record of evidence, I have confidence that science will discover more things and find more evidence to back up the things that have already been discovered.<br /><br />I really don't understand the christian obsession with trying to portray atheism or science as a religion. It really is an obsession.KJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10817974804323066290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-22386067954249593472009-08-27T12:45:38.518+12:002009-08-27T12:45:38.518+12:00KJ. Would you agree that you have:
3.confidence o...KJ. Would you agree that you have:<br /><br />3.confidence or trust in <b>Dawkins</b> or <b>science</b><br /><br />??? <br /><br />Therefore, dare I describe you using another word with spiritual connotations.... as <i>faithful</i>? ;)Ryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-54078125111387666612009-08-18T18:30:28.895+12:002009-08-18T18:30:28.895+12:00Anonymous, I do not have faith in anything.
faith...Anonymous, I do not have faith in anything.<br /><br />faith<br />–noun<br />1.belief that is not based on proof<br />2.belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion<br />3.confidence or trust in a person or thing<br /><br />I do not have faith in anything. I believe that science will continue to discover things about the world, because the scientific method has a proven track record in this regard. This 'belief' is backed up by evidence, therefore is not faith.KJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10817974804323066290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7498388463767378455.post-56140166730509769122009-08-18T18:13:57.486+12:002009-08-18T18:13:57.486+12:00KJ has not once outright denied 100% that there is...KJ has not once outright denied 100% that there is a God, and has even in one post admitted that there may be one. What he HAS done, very well, is denied that the god of Christianity is real or that the bible is true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com