Religious people already lied about Hitler being an atheist, you think everyone is gonna buy the communism=atheism nonsense? Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, none of which were atheists.
"As Stalin noted in 1952: "Jesus Christ also suffered, and even carried his cross, and then he rose up to heaven. You, then, have to suffer too, in order to rise up to heaven"" Source: Political Thought of Joseph Stalin: A Study in Twentieth Century Revolutionary Patriotism By Erik van Ree
In the Document "The 'Purge' of the Libraries" Stalin ordered the withdrawal of "all anti-religious literature, exposing religion on the basis of natural science data" Source: The Stalin Era By Philip Boobbyer
Funny how atheists get blamed for Stalin when he gets so much religious support, even to this day: http://religiousleftexposed.com/home/2014/01/russian-orthodox-church-publishes-stalin-calendar.html http://babkin-mikhail.livejournal.com/92774.html#comment
There is only one fake quote which is used to prove that Stalin was an atheist, however: "we need not believe one later Soviet claim that he read The Origin of Species at the age of thirteen while still at Gori, and told a fellow pupil that it proved the nonexistence of God. The story fails on several obvious accounts, including Stalin's remaining religious, even pious, for some years longer." Stalin: Breaker of Nations by Robert Conquest, page 20
Most people just think Stalin was an atheist because he killed religious people, as if religious people never killed each other, if anything that only increases suspicion that he was religious. The Wahhabi's destroyed several holy Islamic sites for religious reasons, including most of the Kaaba(the most sacred location in Islam), even though they are Muslim. For almost a thousand year the Catholic Church banned Bibles and killed people who attempted to translate it for the sake of the common people. The Hindu Ghandi was himself killed by a Hindu extremist for religious reasons. Timur's was a devout Muslim even though he almost exclusively destroyed other Muslims
Stalin killed most of the Communist Party Central Committee, does that mean he was anti-Communist? He killed much of the Soviet army, does that mean he was anti-Soviet? Almost every country in the world went through a process of De-clericalization, and it was usually a violent process. And just because it was communist, doesn't mean you get to call it atheist
"The Communist leadership was purged - 93 of the 139 Central Committee members were put to death. The armed forces were purged - 81 of the 103 generals and admirals were executed. The Communist Party was purged - about a third of its 3 million members were killed. Photographs and history books were changed to eliminate even the memory of people who had been arrested." http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/history/mwh/russia/stalinpurgesandpraisesrev1.shtml
Here's Hitchens excellent reply to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngjQs_QjSwc&feature=youtu.be&t=1h42m15s
Of course bad atheists exist, but atheism doesn't have commandments to kill other people so it's not caused by their atheism. With Christianity and Islam it's a different story because they do have commandments that command them to kill and commandments that were responsible for religious wars and persecution, their religious beliefs caused these things and that's why we actually can blame religion for atrocities
And statistically speaking atheism actually does correlate with good ethics. Atheist majority countries are among the healthiest, wealthiest, safest, smartest, most educated, most democratic, most egalitarian, most charitable countries in the world
82% of Sweden, 80% of Denmark, 72% of Norway, 60% of Finland don't believe in god Source: Gustafsson, Goran and Thorleif Pettersson. 2000. Folkkyrk och religios pluraism – den nordiska religiosa modellen. Stockholm, Sweden: Verbum Forlag
Only 22% of Germany believe in God(2005 survey, Der Spiegel's "The Anti-God Squad")
"the most recent survey information from Japan illustrates extensive secularization over the course of the last century: sixty years ago, about 70 percent of the Japanese claimed to hold personal religious beliefs, but today that figure is down to only about 20 percent. Such levels of atheism, agnosticism, and overall irreligion are simply remarkable-not to mention historically unprecedented" Source: Living the Secular Life: New Answers to Old Questions By Phil Zuckerman
The Handbook of Contemporary Animism - Page 480 Graham Harvey - 2014 "Japan is today among the most secular societies in the world. In the 2000 census, less than 15 per cent of Japanese people reported any personal religious affiliation (Lockard 2010). Less than half believe in either God or the Buddha (Demerath 2011)"
The U.N ranked Japan as the most developed country the third most times(After Norway and Canada), it ranked it as the most developed country in 1990, 1991, and 1993. Betweemn Between 1992 and 2000, Japan had been the largest donor of aid
There's a lot more to this, but I think that's enough to make my point
Religious people already lied about Hitler being an atheist, you think everyone is gonna buy the communism=atheism nonsense? Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, none of which were atheists.
ReplyDelete"As Stalin noted in 1952: "Jesus Christ also suffered, and even carried his cross, and then he rose up to heaven. You, then, have to suffer too, in order to rise up to heaven""
Source: Political Thought of Joseph Stalin: A Study in Twentieth Century Revolutionary Patriotism By Erik van Ree
In the Document "The 'Purge' of the Libraries" Stalin ordered the withdrawal of "all anti-religious literature, exposing religion on the basis of natural science data"
Source: The Stalin Era By Philip Boobbyer
Funny how atheists get blamed for Stalin when he gets so much religious support, even to this day:
http://religiousleftexposed.com/home/2014/01/russian-orthodox-church-publishes-stalin-calendar.html
http://babkin-mikhail.livejournal.com/92774.html#comment
There is only one fake quote which is used to prove that Stalin was an atheist, however:
"we need not believe one later Soviet claim that he read The Origin of Species at the age of thirteen while still at Gori, and told a fellow pupil that it proved the nonexistence of God. The story fails on several obvious accounts, including Stalin's remaining religious, even pious, for some years longer."
Stalin: Breaker of Nations by Robert Conquest, page 20
Most people just think Stalin was an atheist because he killed religious people, as if religious people never killed each other, if anything that only increases suspicion that he was religious. The Wahhabi's destroyed several holy Islamic sites for religious reasons, including most of the Kaaba(the most sacred location in Islam), even though they are Muslim. For almost a thousand year the Catholic Church banned Bibles and killed people who attempted to translate it for the sake of the common people. The Hindu Ghandi was himself killed by a Hindu extremist for religious reasons. Timur's was a devout Muslim even though he almost exclusively destroyed other Muslims
Stalin killed most of the Communist Party Central Committee, does that mean he was anti-Communist? He killed much of the Soviet army, does that mean he was anti-Soviet? Almost every country in the world went through a process of De-clericalization, and it was usually a violent process. And just because it was communist, doesn't mean you get to call it atheist
"The Communist leadership was purged - 93 of the 139 Central Committee members were put to death. The armed forces were purged - 81 of the 103 generals and admirals were executed. The Communist Party was purged - about a third of its 3 million members were killed. Photographs and history books were changed to eliminate even the memory of people who had been arrested."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/history/mwh/russia/stalinpurgesandpraisesrev1.shtml
Here's Hitchens excellent reply to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngjQs_QjSwc&feature=youtu.be&t=1h42m15s
Of course bad atheists exist, but atheism doesn't have commandments to kill other people so it's not caused by their atheism. With Christianity and Islam it's a different story because they do have commandments that command them to kill and commandments that were responsible for religious wars and persecution, their religious beliefs caused these things and that's why we actually can blame religion for atrocities
ReplyDeleteAnd statistically speaking atheism actually does correlate with good ethics. Atheist majority countries are among the healthiest, wealthiest, safest, smartest, most educated, most democratic, most egalitarian, most charitable countries in the world
82% of Sweden, 80% of Denmark, 72% of Norway, 60% of Finland don't believe in god
Source: Gustafsson, Goran and Thorleif Pettersson. 2000. Folkkyrk och religios pluraism – den nordiska religiosa modellen. Stockholm, Sweden: Verbum Forlag
Only 22% of Germany believe in God(2005 survey, Der Spiegel's "The Anti-God Squad")
"the most recent survey information from Japan illustrates extensive secularization over the course of the last century: sixty years ago, about 70 percent of the Japanese claimed to hold personal religious beliefs, but today that figure is down to only about 20 percent. Such levels of atheism, agnosticism, and overall irreligion are simply remarkable-not to mention historically unprecedented"
Source: Living the Secular Life: New Answers to Old Questions
By Phil Zuckerman
The Handbook of Contemporary Animism - Page 480
Graham Harvey - 2014
"Japan is today among the most secular societies in the world. In the 2000 census, less than 15 per cent of Japanese people reported any personal religious affiliation (Lockard 2010). Less than half believe in either God or the Buddha (Demerath 2011)"
The U.N ranked Japan as the most developed country the third most times(After Norway and Canada), it ranked it as the most developed country in 1990, 1991, and 1993. Betweemn Between 1992 and 2000, Japan had been the largest donor of aid
There's a lot more to this, but I think that's enough to make my point